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Aneesh Mulye's avatar

Agreed that turning the phenomenological-ethnomethodological lens towards how the process of discovery *actually* works is a high-value and neglected area.

HOWEVER: I do think that the training in phenomenology which the (sane, grounded) contemplative paths provide is in fact a prerequisite, or at least a great aid (like a microscope in viewing the very small), to this inquiry. It is the grinding and polishing of said lens. There is historical precedent for this — Abhinavagupta is the most famous mystic-philosopher in 'my' tradition, but there are entire academic fields who know him just for his paradigm-defining work in aesthetic theory (it's actually a p good theory, IMO: practically useful, phenomenologically grounded, and intellectually and explanatorily rich.)

Similarly, I think that a decent amount of phenomenological training is something that most people into the sciences may benefit immensely from. There are what are called the 'householder' traditions, which are explicitly meant for those who aren't monks/renunciates, and which have the effect of increasing personal effectiveness, sanity, and agency. Since the transmission to the current culture is mostly through Buddhism, many contemplative traditions have a renunciate/monastic/world-denying flavour that I think you're lamenting — but the householder ones may be more up your alley.

ALSO: there may be a selection/salience effect here? As in, those who are experimenting with Jhanas, etc are far more likely to stand out to you (and all of us on Twitter, I guess) than the people in the sciences who are still quietly rolling on the floor when the math calls for it?

ASIDE: I also think that Ramanujan, though a one-off, was a pointer and a hint; a hint that none seem to have taken, and which wouldn't be that hard to take if you wanted to. (I mean, seriously, how hard is it to put together a mathematical-meditative-sacred-devotional retreat?)

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Holly Elmore's avatar

Grr, typed out a comment and lost it. Try again:

Idk what is so important about having a mystical attitude. Seems to me like not allowing the truth to be its mundane self, if that’s how it turns out. Also think the truth is what matters, not how spiritual you find it. Often a team of lab coats and engineers chipping away at a problem gets a better answer than lone geniuses longing to know. Might be more fulfilling to be the genius, but then it seems like the point isn’t knowing the truth.

If it’s that you think science is worthy of feeling mystical over, then sure. But, despite having a lot of this disposition myself, I can’t recommend it prospectively for learning the actual truth. Imo it’s a huge liability and bias. Asking the unknown truth the fulfill your spiritual needs seems like asking to misinterpret it.

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